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Wednesday, November 10, 2010

More misinformation from the Cult Education Forum



Hard to know where to start with this, except to say that at least one prominent cryobiologist got into the field precisely because of its applications to cryonics. I heard this cryobiologist, still in good standing in the field, say on the live webcast of a talk he gave recently at a life extension conference that his contribution would not appear on the video records because he feared reprisals from the cryobiological community, even though he has performed defensible research about the preservation of the rabbit hypothalamus through vitrification. Nobody I know of with any influence wants to speak up for this scientist's intellectual freedom.

As for cryonics' organizations alleged exploitation of "elderly, impressionable or dying people desperate not to die," the overwhelming majority of us sign up at relatively young ages and in good health, when we can still get affordable life insurance (the most common means of funding one's cryonic suspension). I signed up at age 31, for example, because I understood early on that we face an emergency, and we need technological solutions for it. In my case, something apparently went wrong with our culture's process of indoctrinating me with its usual terror management fantasies, so I turned to a speculative engineering approach instead. Manage your risk, not your terror.

6 comments:

  1. "In my case, something apparently went wrong with our culture's process of indoctrinating me with its usual terror management fantasies, so I turned to a speculative engineering approach instead."

    I love it.

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  2. you talk some bollocks for a Motel Owner Mark Plus

    What the hell do you actually know that you havent "self taught" yourself?

    Have a look at the average age of cryonic stiffs - 81 years old! You and your freinds want to rip elderly and vunerable people off to ensure that your suspensions will be garunteed 20-30 years hence. You need more victims because you and I very well know that Alcor and other similar companies are pissing the money up the wall instead of making sensible investments. Your story abou "knowing" a cryobiologist - Really? Get real man its obvious you don;t even understand science which is why you signed up to cryonics. Back in the day it was well known Cryonics was a Cult associated with the Church of Venturism and other wacky sub groups. These day's your attempts to rationalize cryonics as a science is laughable - Do you understand what empirical thinking is? Do you understand what evidence to support a theory is? Until cryonics proves the world wrong and does a successfull revival of a frozen dead body its nothing more than a very expensive folly. I got no problem in people spending money on exotic burials but please don;t sell me the idea that cryonics victims are not dead - Do You have any idea the work that was done by doctors to discover what brain death is? Obviously not because you and your ilk peddle the idea that brain death is not absolute and in the future it could be a window to revival. Of course all the time forgetting you have frozen a dead bodie in liquid nitrogen which is normally used to burn warts off people.


    Instead of critiquing people which in your mind are defaming your cryonics cult - why don't you use that energy to get your wacky cult regulated so people like me leave it alone? Prove it is a real science by getting support from cryo-biologists and doctors. But you and I both know that is never going to happen in a million years.

    Face it "brother" you don't really know what your talking about and your endless rhetoric about cryonics saving lives is just spin. Your cult is freezing people when they are brain dead and often been decomposing for hours in un-marked ambulances.

    About 142K of people die every day of old age/illness etc. Where the hell are you going to put 142K frozen stiff everyday? Why are you and your other cult members deserving of "special" treatment?

    Oh yes because you spent silly money on a exotic burial!



    !jill

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  3. So tell us your plan, !jill.

    You can deduce this cryobiologist's name from this page:

    Selected Journal Articles Supporting the Scientific Basis of Cryonics

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  4. Why are you and your other cult members deserving of "special" treatment?

    1. Would you call those trapped miners in Chile "cult members" because they wanted to live?

    2. People "deserve" any legal good or service they can pay for.

    3. I don't feel guilty about existing.

    4. Perhaps you'd feel better about your life if you move out of your shitty loser country. I can see why Max More wanted to flee a place full of people with your sort of attitude.

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  5. :) touche mark

    i am going to enjoy this, as you know i am also in the hopitalality trade and like to punch above my weight too - we are like brothers in some way you know....

    you must know David Styles right - General Manager for Eucrio the european standby service

    Extortion, vampirism, mumbo jumbo, smoke and mirrors -
    David Styles and Cryonicist Activist thingamajib George C Smith have been seeling cryonics via a pyramid scheme for people that like Vampires

    "Do I really think David Styles is a devil-worshipper, or that he believes he's an immortal vampire? No...I think he's an attention-seeking scam artist, plain and simple.The only "scary" aspect of this news is the fact that he has been able to garner the support of people like Saul Kent, Catherine Baldwin, Ben Best, and other prominent members of cryonics organizations, who attended the launch of Style's European cryonics organization, "EUCRIO." According to a fairly reliable source, Kent and Best knew of Styles' cult-connections (pyramid schemes), prior to attending Style's launch of EUCRIO. (Is it just me, or do the "leaders" of cryonics activities seem to have more of an affinity for con artists and "yes men," than they do for reputable scientists and medical professionals?)


    I just had a thought - maybe David Styles has a fetish for perfusion from his fantasys of being a bloodsucking vampire. Now he attempts to "legitimise" his peversion by getting involved in Cryonic stand by services. - http://www.eucrio.eu/...

    That is kinky, unsavoury but kinky from a necrophilliac point of view i suppose...


    No I did not make any of this up - evidence of all can be found online

    For example search "david styles vampire" in a google search box and see what come up.

    please explain this Marky Boy.... :)

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  6. Vampirism, and other forms of Vitalism, are completely opposed to the scientific materialism that is the foundation of cryonics. There's no such thing as being "undead" and no "life force" that can be tapped into by any opportunistic blood-drinking magical creatures. Death isn't a magical event where soul suddenly leaves body, it's a process of gradually increasing damage that occurs when your body starts to break down. There also isn't some supernatural Satan out there trying to tempt you with the false promise of immortality, nor a soul you can trade to him for the privilege. Living a long time isn't a Sin, nor is dying your Duty to God and Fellow Man.

    As to Styles, what he does with his life is his own business. If he donates some of his time to cryonics -- great. If you want to know the finer nuances about what he really thinks about vitalism and blood-sucking, why not ask him yourself? Given his interest in cryonics it would surprise me if he seriously believes in mystical life-forces and such garbage, but hey there are people who compartmentalize all kinds of weird incompatible beliefs these days.

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